Jacob's Friends at La Push Beach

[LexiconAficionado]

So I was watching Twilight again tonight and something came to my mind.  When Bella and her friends were at La Push beach, there were a lot of speculation that the two boys with Jacob was Sam and Embry or Quil.  And I remember how some people were not pleased that Solomon didn't come back because it was thought that he was a good Sam.  Now I was thinking about what Jacob told Bella in Eclipse and new Moon, and I reckon that Sam could not be one of the two boys with Jacob at all.

“Sam had it so much harder than the rest of us. Because he was the first, and he was alone, and hevdidn’t have anyone to tell him what was happening. Sam’s grandfather died before he was born, and hisvfather has never been around. There was no one there to recognize the signs. The first time it happened— the first time he phased — he thought he’d gone insane. It took him two weeks to calm down enough to change back.

“This was before you came to Forks, so you wouldn’t remember. Sam’s mother and Leah Clearwater had the forest rangers searching for him, the police. People thought there had been an accident or something. . . .”

Eclipse, Chapter 5, Imprint

So based on this, Sam would have already been on werewolf duty by the time Bella was in Forks and he would have had shorter hair.  Besides, it did not seem like Sam and Jacob ran in the same circles either, not until he started phasing at least.

"Yeah. Annoying is a good word. They're always showing off—like the cliff thing. They act like… like, I don't know. Like tough guys. I was hanging out at the store with Embry and Quil once, last semester, and Sam came by with his followers, Jared and Paul. Quil said something, you know how he's got a big mouth, and it pissed Paul off. His eyes got all dark, and he sort of smiled—no, he showed his teeth but he didn't smile—and it was like he was so mad he was shaking or something. But Sam put his hand against Paul's chest and shook his head. Paul looked at him for a minute and calmed down. Honestly, it was like Sam was holding him back—like Paul was going to tear us up if Sam didn't stop him." He groaned. "Like a bad western. You know, Sam's a pretty big guy, he's twenty. But Paul's just sixteen, too, shorter than me and not as beefy as Quil. I think any one of us could take him."

New Moon, Chapter 7 Repetition

So I'm thinking that Solomon was not meant to be Sam at all in Twilight. He could have been Embry or Quil or maybe just a random Quileute boy. What do you reckon?

[nyfiafo]

mmmm well that makes sense , I've never thought about it before , i even didn't think of the probability that the guy is Sam or someone else , but i think you cleared the thing noor for the ones who really thought about it before ,  

[nita]

hmmm interesting. I never gave it much thought to be honest  but when you put it that way I agree, it couldn't have been sam, most likely he was just a random quileute boy!
excelent  find my dear sherlock

[ifellhard]

I've had the same thoughts, but he was definitely cast by Catherine Hardwicke as "Sam Uley".  I agree 110% that it shouldn't be "Sam" on the beach with Jacob and that it should be other Quileute boys because Sam was a loner at the time, dealing with his phasing.  Although...Catherine Hardwicke is not really known for her attention to details from the TS, is she?  This detail just screams to me that she had not read any of the other books when she did the movie. 

[MSUBando]

Well, in Twilight (the book), Jacob identifies Sam as being the one who says the Cullens don't come to La Push (p. 123).  So, it seems reasonable to me that Catherine would have cast Sam for that movie.  I don't know why they didn't identify him as Sam in the credits.  My guess is Summit already wasn't sure they wanted to keep Solomon on for any future movies so they decided to label that role a generic "friend", but I could be wrong.

[ifellhard]

Well, in Twilight (the book), Jacob identifies Sam as being the one who says the Cullens don't come to La Push (p. 123).  So, it seems reasonable to me that Catherine would have cast Sam for that movie.  I don't know why they didn't identify him as Sam in the credits.  My guess is Summit already wasn't sure they wanted to keep Solomon on for any future movies so they decided to label that role a generic "friend", but I could be wrong.

You are sooooo right!  I've been stuck re-reading New Moon so long that I forgot all about that.  
"That's Sam - he's nineteen," he informed me.  

So...it looks as if it's actually a continuity glitch between the TW, NM, and EC books.  

In SM's defense, she didn't set out to do much with the wolves in the original book and the original sequel, so I can see how that got overlooked.

[LexiconAficionado]

Well, in Twilight (the book), Jacob identifies Sam as being the one who says the Cullens don't come to La Push (p. 123).  So, it seems reasonable to me that Catherine would have cast Sam for that movie.  I don't know why they didn't identify him as Sam in the credits.  My guess is Summit already wasn't sure they wanted to keep Solomon on for any future movies so they decided to label that role a generic "friend", but I could be wrong.

You are sooooo right!  I've been stuck re-reading New Moon so long that I forgot all about that. 
"That's Sam - he's nineteen," he informed me. 

So...it looks as if it's actually a continuity glitch between the TW, NM, and EC books.   

In SM's defense, she didn't set out to do much with the wolves in the original book and the original sequel, so I can see how that got overlooked.

I did recall that but then I remembered that Stephenie did not describe Sam's appearance in Twilight so I guess we can give her that. And I understand that often films do not go as in the book and Sam was never really introduced as such in the Twilight movie.  By the time the movie was made, New Moon was already there though but I suppose Catherine didn't really concentrate on the other books and at the stage that the movie was made, they thought it was probably a one-off though that can't be right either considering the actors were contracted until Eclipse.

Guess I'm just saying that the continuity of Solomon being Sam isn't really there considering how he looked in the movie. It sounds so much better in my head! 

[littlelamb]

All I have to say...is maybe you should direct Breaking Dawn lol. You have a really good point!

[LexiconAficionado]

All I have to say...is maybe you should direct Breaking Dawn lol. You have a really good point!

LOL. I'd rather Chris Weitz directs it. I can always be his personal assistant to ensure that such matters are not overlooked for hawk-eyed fans like us.

[TwiFan01]

Well i just finished reading Twilight again and I realized that SM writes that the older boy who says "the Cullens dont come here" is Sam cuz when Bella asks Jake who that was he says "That's Sam - he's 19"...so if Jake says in NM that he doesnt get along with Sam or his crew then why are they together at the beach?...that doesnt make sense to me cuz wouldnt Sam either be a loner at this point or hanging out with Jared and Paul only....yet in the movie there are only 2 boys with Jake so I figured they would be Embry and Quil cuz who else would Jake be hanging out with?...that part from the book and movie confuses me...Why would SM have them hanging out together in Twilight yet says Jake cant stand being near him in NM?....idk but i agree the boys from the movie are Quil and Embry and the reason why they dont identify the boy in the movie as Sam is cuz remember that Summit didnt know how much success Twilight would have or if they were gonna make a 2nd movie, that all depended on how well Twilight did so I guess they didnt think there was any point on hiring someone who would permanently be Sam if they didnt know if all the movies would be made let alone if Sam's role would be reprised...and I guess when NM was given the ok to be filmed they needed someone big and muscular and older looking to play Sam....

[lillyanne1021]

that was good detective work.. now I am confused lol... is it him or no?

[ifellhard]

that was good detective work.. now I am confused lol... is it him or no?

Based on the book, yes.  That is Sam. 

SM didn't set out do ever write NM or EC.  She just had her original sequel, Forever Dawn, and there was never really going to be all that much with the wolves.  From the looks of things, she gave the Quileute boy a name in the original book probably thinking that would be the last we ever heard of him.  Sam ended up taking on a much larger role than she ever anticipated and the things that we learn about him in NM and EC actually don't fit with him being there in TW at First Beach when Bella first meets up with Jacob.